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标题:周末打算去郊区看看红叶什么的,临走再贴把刀以慰同好吧 The translation is in the body. [打印]


作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-17 16:04

内容:
刀柄头特写,可为看看有点儿意思吧?

Title:
I'm planning to take a look at maple leaf in banlieue in this weekend.Before leaving I post a Dao for comfort.

Body:
The feature of grip.Is it interesting?

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:01 PM 最后编辑 ]

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作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-17 16:08

内容:
那把只剩下上图中那个唯一一件装具的刀

That Dao has only one fitting.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:02 PM 最后编辑 ]

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作者:金相显微
日期:2003-10-17 16:12

内容:
嘿嘿,砍头的。。。

Heyhey,beheaded.....

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:02 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:独孤求剑
日期:2003-10-17 17:08

内容:
作为鬼头刀尺寸和份量似乎偏小了点,难以一刀两断啊!
我认为是明代手刀。

It seems to be less for a ghost Dao's size and deal.It's hard to make a thorough break!
I think it's handed Dao in Ming dynasty.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:03 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:金相显微
日期:2003-10-17 17:17

内容:
看过清处绝犯人的图片,砍头刀都很短小,但都为平头直身,后有鬼头。

I've seen the pic of beheading in Qing dynasty.The Dao is very short and small,but all has flat head and straight body,and ghost head after.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:05 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:梁一刃
日期:2003-10-17 19:31

内容:
找张明代的处决犯人的照片对照一下,看是否明代的鬼头刀。

Find a pic of beheading in Ming dynasty to make a comparison,and see whether it's ghost Dao in Ming dynasty or not.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:06 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:梁一刃
日期:2003-10-17 19:33

内容:
刀头上是个洞吗,估计曾被农民改做铡刀,可恨。

Is there a hole on Dao head?I estimate that it's the hay cutter modified by peasant.Regretted.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:08 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:若谷
日期:2003-10-17 20:29

内容:
手刀,宋?

Handed Dao,Song dynasty?

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-18 02:08 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-19 14:08

内容:
回来了,回来了,秋意正浓,景致不错。
言归正传,说说这把刀吧。
第一,如独孤兄所言,此刀尺寸偏小,斩首恐怕难一刀两断。
第二,这可不是鬼头,而是狮头。
第三,这狮头的铜质,我看应该是铜锡合金(我不想用那专有名词,主要是因为这不那边还有一段公案未决,呵呵)
第四,刀头上的洞,还不能准确说出这洞是做什么用的,但也应该不是农民所为,曾经在若干年前出过一把与此刀形制相同的刀条,也是在相同的部位有这么个洞。我原以为是穿装饰性刀穗子用的,看来这个说法也有不少疑点,故不干确定。
综上,从刀身的形制、柄头的材质、柄头上狮头的样貌等方面来看,我认为这有很大可能就是宋《武经总要》中记载的手刀。以上请斧正。
  
I'm back.A great autumn feeling.Good view.
Get to business and talk about this Dao.
First,as what brother Dugu said,this Dao's size is a little small,and I'm afraid it's hard to make a thorough break.
Second,this is not a ghost head,but a lion head.
Third,the copper of this lion head,I think,should be copper and stannum alloy (I don't want to use the glossary because there's a legal case which is still going on)
Fourth,the hole on the head can't accurately tell what it's for,but it should not be done by peasant.There's once a blade which had the same shape several years ago.It had such a hole at the same position.Formerly I considered that it's for decoration,but it appears that this saying has many doubtful points,so I dare not be sure.
In a word,from the shape of body,material of grip,and the appearance of the lion head on the grip,I think that it's probably the handed Dao recorded in in Song dynasty.Please correct above.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-19 10:03 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:金相显微
日期:2003-10-19 16:16

内容:
看来还是北边的兄弟们敢断。
宋的话会不会分量小了点。

It appears that brothers in north dare to date.
Whether the ponderance is less if for Song dynasty.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-19 09:42 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:梁一刃
日期:2003-10-19 19:06

内容:
如果铜饰为原配,应作为断代的关键依据。上几张细图吧,小觅弟弟。

If the copper decoration is the original,it should be the key evidence for dating.Post some detailed pics,brother Xiaomi.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-19 09:43 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:金相显微
日期:2003-10-19 22:03

内容:
量兄还别说真有明代砍头的鬼头刀,记不得《黑镜头》里第几期了有三把,还分了处绝的三个等级,还分别有绰号#捍笠?⒍(TM)爷、三爷。
其中金鬼头的大爷为处绝高级官吏。
图片有时比人嘴可靠,

Brother Liang,there's ghost Dao for beheading in Ming dynasty.I can't remember there're three pieces in ,which are divided into three grade.
Thereinto gold ghost's owner is an officer at high rank.
Picture sometimes is more dependable than human.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-19 10:10 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-20 14:08

内容:
粱兄请看

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作者:独孤求剑
日期:2003-10-20 15:42

内容:
果然是个少见卷毛狮头柄头,铜质包浆看来年份不浅,这件狮头还是留给专业铜器专家来断代吧!
但从以知的记载有宋手刀的典籍,宋代砖刻图案,出土实物来看,宋手刀皆较为直身直短把和锐斜尖,与此器还是有一定距离。

Really a rare frizzle lion head grip.The copper wrapped slurry seems to be old.This piece is just left to experts on copper ware to date!
But according to the record of Song handed Dao as far as I know,it's Song dynasty's carving pattern.From the unearthed real thing,all Song handed Dao has straight body,short grip,sharp and skew point.It's far from this ware.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-20 07:45 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-20 15:58

内容:
独孤兄说的是,流传最多的那副宋手刀图和我贴的这把实物图是有一定差距,但是其大致的比例、尺寸应该还是差不多的,因此我斗胆把它归为“手刀”一类,至于断“宋”则是完全根据那个狮头了。行家一出手就知有没有,兄的“卷毛”二字一语中地,这种“披发卷毛”的狮头是何时期的风格,根据我查阅的些许雕塑方面的书籍,我觉得其当早于明代。

Brother Dugu,you're right.The Song handed Dao picture come down most is quite different from the real thing picture posted by me,but the rough proportion and size should be almost the same,so I venture to rank them as 'handed Dao'.As for 'Song' it's base on that lion head.The cognoscente will know it,and the word 'frizzle' has met the point.Which style is this kind of 'frizzle' lion head?According to the books about carving,I think it's earlier than Ming dynasty.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-20 07:41 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-20 16:03

内容:
其实,我说独孤师傅:这大好的时光,咱俩何必在这刀较劲,我给您备下了7个枪头,看看您能不能结和实物,先给我上一课啊。我这就去另起帖子,您老稍候。

In fact,master Dugu : Such a good time,why still argue here.I've prepared 7 spears,and see whether you can associate with the real thing and give me a lesson.Now I go and make another post,please wait a minute.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-20 07:41 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:exp
日期:2003-10-21 12:21

内容:
不论狮头鬼头,刀柄显示双手发力使用,应属刑刀。

Let alone lion head or ghost head,it appears that the grip is used by double hands.It should be torture Dao.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-21 09:42 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:梁一刃
日期:2003-10-22 16:34

内容:
从图片上可初步认定铜质符合辽宋特征。

From the pic,I can primarily judge that its copper material is fit for the feature of Liao Yuan dynasty's.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-22 09:01 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:金相显微
日期:2003-10-22 17:58

内容:
听过今人说后,看看古人说的:

手刀:古刀名。宋·曾公亮《武经总要前集·卷十三·器图》有"刀八色"。手刀即其中一种。《三才图会》:"手刀一旁刃,柄短如剑。"后演变成现今短刀。
云头刀:刀身近柄持处小,刀刃弯曲向前至顶端,继续弯向刀背,刀头呈圆形,形似云头,故得此名。





作者:觅刀客
日期:2003-10-23 08:11

内容:
这样看来,这应该更接近云头刀,金兄指教得是。

It appears that it should be Yuntou Dao.Brother Jin is right.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-23 10:40 PM 最后编辑 ]



作者:梁一刃
日期:2003-10-23 17:00

内容:
云头刀刀头与此物有距离,中国武术器械一书对此类刀具有一种叫法,小觅弟查查看。

Yuntou Dao's head is different from it.There's a name of this kind of fitting in .Brother Xiaomi,have a check.

[ 本贴由 旺仔 于 2003-10-23 10:44 PM 最后编辑 ]


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